Forum:Multiple Characters by Era or Game?

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For characters who appear in multiple eras, should we differentiate by era or game? By this, I mean should it be differentiated by:

• Era
• No parentheses
• (G.U.)
• (LINK)

or

• Game
• (R:1)
• (R:2)
• (R:X)

I've noticed we have a mix, an example being Aura, Aura (R:2), and Aura (LINK). Or how about Natsume, Natsume (G.U.) and Natsume (LINK). Or maybe Cubia (R:1), Cubia (R:2) and then Cubia (LINK). Kulaguy 01:43, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I vote Era. That way it would much more obviously incorporate all medias from that era such as mangas and animes. --Rpg 01:55, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I vote eras, too. games can be misleading as if they appear merely in that game or as if it's an article about a noncanon parody of another character. It may also help to put a different eras template at the top of the page.

Example: {{eras|Aura|she|[[Aura (R:1)|R:1]]|[[Aura (R:2)|R:2]]|[[Aura (R:X)|R:X]]}} or something. I can't code, but basically the message could be: "As Aura appears in three distinct eras of the series, she has three different articals: r1, r2....ect." characters missing from an era could simply have "no appearance" under said era.

--Falcon At 02:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Whoops. I guess I wasn't clear. Era means of course Project .hack, GU, and then LINK. Game means versions of The World, that being R:1, R:2, and R:X. Personally, I prefer era. Kulaguy 02:08, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Then I'd say era still, BUT, I don't think we need to go adding tags to the Project .hack era articles. For example, the Aura pages would be Aura, Aura (GU) and Aura (LINK). --Rpg 02:14, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. That's why I said no parentheses for Project .hack up there. I hate having parentheses in a page title. Kulaguy 02:19, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, I'm confused, what are you voting for? Revision era (and the more logical one) or Kulaguy's era (G.U. isn't an era, it's a game. don't you mean conglomorate? And isn't Link technically part of that project? Also, is it LINK or Link?)--Falcon At 02:16, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

G.U. is an era. It's also called Project G.U., but having (Conglomerate) on a page would be dumb if (G.U.) gives off the same meaning. LINK is technically part of Conglomerate, but it is still recognized as a separate era from G.U. and Project .hack. You would agree, correct? That's why having it GU and LINK would be better than naming GU "Conglomerate". Kulaguy 02:19, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Still, think about the borderline cases: ChupChopCase. It's Project G.U, but it's set in R:1; EotT(N) is in Projct G.U. but before even R:1. I'm not going to argue for conglomorate anyway, thus agreeing to the previous statement will not damper my argument.--Falcon At 02:46, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Era. Definitely Era. --Rpg 02:19, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm gonna have to go with Era, as it makes more sense. Games is how I have it on the sidebar, but then I went and put the Epitaph of Twilight novel in the "R:2" section, which don't make a lick of sense. I only sorted it into R:'s because I wanted three separate ears, and separating into Project .hack / .hack Conglomerate didn't work (as LINK is part of Conglomerate). But I guess I'm willing to go with (no parenthesis) / (G.U.) / (LINK). Should I go ahead and make the changes on the sidebar?--OtakuD50 02:24, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Why would you put EotT in the R:2 section? It's not in any of the revisions, thus exempt. Besides, the revisions unify them better than the name of the revision's representitive game. --Falcon At 02:39, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Except that "LINK" isn't just a game, and neither is "GU" (I still refer to that era as the "Project GU" era and not ".hack Conglomerate"). The EoT thing is mainly me not knowing anything about it. I don't consider there being nearly enough info in there for me to make any judgments regarding sorting it, but I had to put it somewhere. Anyway, there's also stuff like the Terminal Disk, which is technically somewhere in between, but also mostly during R:1 if you think about it, but it definitely fits in with R:2. Thus, I think going with G.U. makes much more sense, currently.--OtakuD50 02:45, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

And RPG proves LINK is the 3rd era. [1] Kulaguy 02:46, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

almost made me wet myself...........does that mean that LINK=the end is a lie! Whatever. This page is hectic. I'm going to OCD this page.--Falcon At 02:51, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

From what I heard, LINK was the last game of the series. That doesn't mean they can't make more manga/anime/novels. Kulaguy 02:52, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I go for era... Because if there are no era, Game wouldn't be born. Tepellin 02:21, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

For eras/projects/generations (blank, G.U. LINK....the mysterious 4G....

• It makes our shorts tight, I guess....someone please post an argument.--Falcon At 03:12, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

• We'll adjust with whatever we see, however we should split by era and make pages according to the nature of the set. It might end like the epitaph (novel) pages. Outlaw630 03:18, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

For Revisions of the World (Pre R:1, R:1, R:2, R:X, ect.)

• Favors the timeframe of the character over real-time. Seriously, just because Elk appears in G.U. (and LINK's CCC) as Elk doesn't mean he's going around devoting his neverending affection to Haseo, who hasn't even made a character yet. Also, it helps with in game terms, skills weapons, items, ect. by showing which game they're for. --Falcon At 03:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand this. Simply put, just put a link to Endrance, Elk LINK and Endrance LINK on the Elk article. Kulaguy 03:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

What I mean here is that the revision type supports the timeline within the games rather than a CC2 agenda.--Falcon At 03:42, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

• Projects can be misleading as if they appear merely in that game or as if it's an article about a noncanon parody of another character. --Falcon At 03:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Umm... what I said above. Kulaguy 03:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I see no correlation. You were not clear before, but that's not what I was arguing about. people off google will see LINK or G.U. and think instantly, "duh....where do you find that character. I want Nanase in my party!"--Falcon At 03:28, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously? We have a Party Member infobox for Kite, Haseo, and soon Tokio. I don't see how this is relevant. Any idiot could read the page and find out that she doesn't join. Kulaguy 03:32, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

You know, your right. there are infoboxes....at the bottom of the page. Besides, knock on wood. It will happen eventually. In a different tangent, would somebody come up with at least one argument for eras/projects/generations besides that it makes your heart feel warm and fuzzy? just disproving this one isn't productive.--Falcon At 03:42, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

• Think about the borderline cases: ChupChopCase is Project G.U, but it's set in R:1; EotT(N) is in Projct G.U. but Pre R:1 or exempt, if you don't like that title; EotW is neither R:1 or R:2, thus exempt.--Falcon At 03:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

As a rebuttal, [2]. Those borderline cases seem to "officially" fall under the first era, even though they were created along with the G.U. material. Kulaguy 03:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

ToT--Falcon At 03:42, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Officially outlining eras for Wiki policy

I think the support is overwhelmingly towards the side of "eras." So now we need to scientifically classify what works count as being in which era. I think going by the Old Testament / New Testament infobooks is as good a basis as any.

• 1st era: (blank)

This seems to cover series set before 2016. It's pretty much synonymous with R:1 and before. This includes the Epitaph of Twilight novels (which are part of Conglomerate) and the pre-R:1 builds. If I had to name it, I'd call it the .hack era. Which is fitting because the Epitaph of Twilight novels sound like they actually fit within the original scope of the .hack franchise and the core mystery.

• 2nd era: G.U.

2017-2020. The majority of the G.U. era is the actual G.U. story itself (retold like three times). Alcor, GnU, and CELL are all supplemental to G.U. and Roots is a prequel/interquel. Now that I think of it, if you compact all of the alternate G.U.'s into one, you have one really short era. Rather than add to the .hack universe as a whole, all of the supporting materials of the G.U. era tend to support the core G.U. story alone.

• 3rd era: Link (was originally all caps, but seems to have been retroactively changed)

We don't know of the full scope of this era, but so far it looks to be just the story of Tokio, told three different ways. Thus, Link IS the era, so of course it makes sense to use it as the era name. I like to think of it as the franchise's "clip era."

• ?4th era?: ?2024?

So, uh... can we get a scan or at least a better angled snapshot of those two pages? It seems like those pages and Mihono Kite (Sora) are all we have on the 4th era, and I'm not sure if 2024 is the 4th era or part of the Link era.

By the way, think we should make an Eras page to make it clearer / official?--OtakuD50 03:21, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

2024 is 4th era. Scans later. --Rpg 03:25, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

An Eras of .hack page seems good. Kulaguy 04:42, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

The page is there, if a bit sloppy--Falcon At 01:36, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

i really don't see why we should separate the character just because he appears in a different game, everything else about him should be right. anything new can just be added in a new section. like merge kite (link) to kite. I don't know, this way seems much more simpler, and I'm not saying so just because wikipedia does it.XXXth form 19:35, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Don't have the templates for it. However I was working on one, might present it later. Personality Haseo is the reason why I disdain any form of over length on a page. Outlaw630 19:53, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

i dont really see why we need a template to add in .hack//Link. i really dont think haseo's is that lengthly. just make differnt sections for each appearance he made in the article.XXXth form 20:43, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

You kidding me Haseo's article use to be triple, triple damn it. (And its not even done) Also we use templates hence we need them. Name, Class, Age, Guild and circumstantial information all belong there. In addition that's billion more pictures I hope we never have to see on a page. Outlaw630 21:38, March 23, 2010 (UTC)