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Articles we need to work on

Project .hack

  • Harald Hoerwick (This is one of the most important characters in the universe, y'know...)

Games

We're almost done. We really should focus more on the GU articles, so let's try to finish these off.

Legend of the Twilight

SIGN Episode Summaries

We're almost done with these. I don't own the first DVD, so I can't do it... y'know, unless I buy it, but I'd rather someone else who does own it work on these pages.--OtakuD50 06:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I can handle this easily if needed; I have the first DVD. ~EmiHinata(April 6, 2007)

No one's stopping you.--OtakuD50 02:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Current Discussions

Armor!

I'm trying to find some good, detailed lists of the armor available for classes in The World (not R2)... and I can't. I think this is a really big aspect of the Wiki that's missing. Is there anyone with such a list - or even access to information that could help in the construction to such a list? I'd gladly take on this task if someone can help get me started! --Menace64

There's a page, but no one has filled in the R:1 section. :( --Viscosity 23:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I'm saying... it's disturbingly devoid of information. I'll work on it if someone's got the raw information handy. --Menace64
I think this, this, and this are what you need. You can use the guide here as a one stop shop for the Japanese names and for proofchecking (if the numbers of items don't match up there's a problem). - Kuukai2 05:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Well I gave it a shot with the light head armors... something in the formatting is wrong. If somebody would point out my mistake, I'll get the rest posted ASAP! --Menace64
We haven't worked on the armor tables because of the problems involving the tables. Kulaguy 05:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Products/Merchandise

Is there a products/merchandise page here? AzureKnight 21:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? --CRtwenty 21:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Probably like a list of goods aside from the discs, books, and cards. Take these things, for instance:
http://www.hack.channel.or.jp/hack/new/fr_figure.html
http://www.hack.channel.or.jp/hack/new/fr_goods.html
- Kuukai2 00:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Weapon Lists

I think there's something screwy with the Weaponlist(R:1) Template. None of the R:1 Weapon pages are displaying correctly. Does anybody know what the problem is? --CRtwenty 17:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that too. All the more reason to clean up the weapon pages. Kulaguy


Videos

So we can embed videos onto pages now. I've created a dothackwiki channel over at Youtube. Any suggestions on what videos to upload to put on pages? Kulaguy 01:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The G.U. Prototype trailer, LINK Teaser...that's pretty much all I can think of ATM. Maggosh 12:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Link Characters

All characters in Link will have their real world info reverted to ??? because we have no idea if they are the same person or AIs or whatever. We did this for Endrance, we will continue this in LINK. In addition, their classes and races will be kept as ?? because we have no idea how the class system works as far as I know. Kulaguy 14:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

A few of their classes are already stated in the manga, Wavemaster, Twin Blade etc. Haseo uses twin blades and according to text is able to use his scythe. That would make him an adept rogue... I left the other ones blank because I couldn't find the source. The offline seems like a fair compromise, though its more than certain of the outcome. Beside aren't they all suppose to be returning characters. While its here we should split the phase pages. They are returning which means new information, history, attacks and so on. Macha also has a new appearance and its something to place down. The amount of info will over pile by keeping it on the same page. For a final note I can't determine which one is returning between Mistal and Mireille. They share the same avatar for one and then the text that could be the name in the screen shot it blurry. Didn't Mistral pass down the avatar to her daughter? If she 14 and still playing the world that is something for discussion. Plus she had her character renamed, though that probably doesn't apply here. Outlaw630 16:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Wavemaster - "The PC on the radar is 'Tsukasa.' A Wavemaster!" (Saika .hack//LINK Twilight Knights - Access 4 Page 1)
  • Twin Blade - Alkaid Listed as Twin Blade on her profile (http://www.cc2.co.jp/hack_link/tokio/dic15.html#key1)
    • Kite - Dual Blades (Twin Blade Weapons), Staccato (Twin Blade only skill)
    • Wildflower (Twin Blade only skill), Empty Skies (Twin Blade only weapon)
    • Character Class (Original + All incarnations are Twin Blades)
  • Adept Rogue - "Haseo is in this town! The one who has the next Chrono Core is the Adept Rogue Haseo." (Saika .hack//LINK Twilight Knights - Acces 7 Page 5)
Well, first of all, the game isn't the manga, and also Azure Kite's class isn't technically "Twin Blade." For the phases, I agree, I've mentioned before that I wanted to make the Avatars separate. I'm not sure we'll actually need three pages, though, we might want to hold off and see how much of a role they play in LINK before splitting them up at all, as they might just be memories of the originals or something... For Mistral, it certainly looks like her but I don't believe there's actually any text on the screen that would answer your question. With Elk being back, anything is possible. And I agree we should hold off on real world information. The Twilight Knights site was pretty specific that Kite was Kite, but nothing we've seen in text now is really as convincing... - Kuukai2 22:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
As I said, we can't be sure if they're AIs or not. We'll wait. It doesn't hurt to have it as ??? anyways. I'll split the Avatar pages between the original and GU. LINK Phases can be made into a new page later on. Also, we don't need to upload every single image of LINK that's revealed. All we really need is character art and a picture for each piece of media they appear in, not like 3 scans for the same media. Kulaguy 23:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Azure Flame God should be separated into its own page. It has every right to exist, there are pages for both Avatars and AIDA. Although its category is unknown it has attacks and stats like any of the Phases, AIDA or monsters. Plus it could help free up space for Azure Flame Kite's page. Outlaw630 13:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Go ahead. Kulaguy 18:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
About Adept Rogue: It's not named. As far as we know the class could be called "Swiss Soldier" in R:X. That really goes for all of of these, since all the names we have seen are in Japanese (literally Japanese, not English in Japanese characters) and mainly only in Twilight Knights. As we've seen in R:1 and R:2 (Twin User/sometimes Blade -> Twin Sword), they might not even been read the same way in the Japanese version, let alone in English ("Wavemaster" in the history of The World was translated as "Magician," and in Roots generic Warlocks/Clerics were credited as something with the same kanji as "Wavemasters" iirc). At least for R:2 the classes were enumerated and had notable features, even if every single one ended up name-changed. With these I'm not sure it's worth the effort to document them because there's not much to write about them ("same as before, maybe?") until more information comes out... - Kuukai2 16:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Haha, wow, my response is still the same as last year. The exact nature of the LINK characters haven't been revealed, so we shouldn't assume they are returning. Kulaguy 01:07, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

I've changed all the LINK character pages so that they are all unknown. If they are factually known to be a returning character, change it, but show proof. That leads me to Kite. It says he's the real Kite, but is he really? In addition, I protected all the LINK pages for 3 months. That should be sufficient time to prevent anonymous edits from people who just got the game or people who read spoilers and add random shit like what happened when GU came out. Kulaguy 07:18, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


Tense

What tense should we be using? I feel we should use present, yet past tenses seem to come up every now and again. Kulaguy 07:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I would say past tense, given .hack's sliding time-scale. AuraTwilight 17:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I think this is a good reason why. - Kuukai2 06:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hm, I've been pretty much using present tense in whatever I've worked on. Then again, I feel like I need to go back and edit some of the lengthier articles I wrote, so I don't have much of a problem going back and fixing tense if we want to stick to past tense Wiki-wide. It's just not my preference is all.--OtakuD50 10:15, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
After giving it some thought... just now... and looking at that link I decided that .hack is not Star Trek, and that it would be for the best to write events in present tense, while writing of events that occur prior to the subject at hand in the past tense. If it sounds like a fair deal I'll add that to the MoS.--OtakuD50 12:06, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

What are these?

I remember downloading these pics from ALTIMIT Corp a long time ago and I'm just getting around to uploading them. Anyone know what the pics are of? Looks like Lost Grounds, but I don't know which. It could also just be pictures of normal areas. Kulaguy 04:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Pic1 is a colored version of a picture on the Lost Grounds page of the Perfect Guidebook. There is no explanatory text to go with it, so I can't say anything more. Pic2 is new to me, though I get the feeling it ought to be familiar somehow. Pic3 looks to be Wailing Capital Wald Uberlisterin. --Shinsou Wotan 06:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Kind of look like concept art to me. I have no idea what the first one is, but the second one could be an early design for what would later become Coite-Bodher Battlefield or possibly even the area where you battle Ovan at Backtop City Megin Fi. The third one could be a draft of the castle at Wailing Capital Wald Uberlisterin. --Twilight Duality 11:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm surprised to be the first one to point out that Pic 2 is Forest of Pain at a slightly different angle than in the Perfect Guidebook. The lava in 1 makes me think Sugar Mansion Sif Berg, but that's a completely different building... - Kuukai2 05:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


Verb Tense

I noticed a change made yesterday to a verb tense. Someone changed "is PKKed by Haseo" to "was PKKed by Haseo" and left the rest of the article the same -.-. Technically, when referring to a written work the present tense is correct, and a historical event would be past tense. I'm guessing (judging from most of the site) written work is the tense usage we're going for? (Sorry, my mom's an English teacher so I had grammar boiled into my brain as soon as I could speak).--TristanLight 07:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I haven't really been paying attention to which tense we've been using. I just write whatever sounds right. >_> Kulaguy 17:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Section tag

So, yeah, I'm thinking of making a tag that we put for articles that are pretty much done, except that it's missing a few sections. Any ideas what the quote should be? Oh and read the Haseo pics discussion too. Kulaguy 23:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no specific ideas, but how about a quote that mentions somethign being "imcomplete". I'm sure I've heard lines like that several times throughout the series. Rpg 02:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


Weapons/Armor/Items/Other things I'm forgetting

Holy shit. I didn't realize how unorganized these lists are. A separate page for modifications, another page for R:2 items, another for R:2 armor, another for spells. Damn, I'm gonna need to fix these. It'll take a while though. Kulaguy 22:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, give me a strategy of what to change and I'll be happy to help. I too am sure something's broken, just not sure how to fix it. That's why the vague term "items project" is on my todo list. - Kuukai2 18:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Game Rare Weapons

CRTwenty and I are having trouble deciding whether to keep Rare Weapon locations on the pages or not. I want them on, he does not. As the original admin I would appreciate a view from you please. Use List of Twin Blade Weapons and List of Long Arm Weapons as references. Thank you.Ruthborn

Personally, I see no reason why we need to put the Rare Weapon locations on there. Why put it for the Rare Weapons only? Why not the other weapons too? Really, the list of weapons pages is pretty much just a list of weapons. Nothing more. We don't need to put locations on there. We're not a FAQ. We're a Wiki. Kulaguy 04:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we should keep it,if you guys are having trouble finding the location of the weapons I'll help.--Kite X 04:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Kite, you idiot, we know where to find the Rare Weapons. Ruthborn was just saying he thought we should list it and, like Kula, I believe we shouldn't list them, this isn't an FAQ.--Ellimist 06:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
...fine. So what information are we going to put on this site and what information are we going to withhold?
It's not withholding... it's just we never intended for this site to be a walkthrough. --CRtwenty 03:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I can see there being a "found at" part in the weapon table template, as well as maybe an image part. It's semi-faq-ish, but then again so is the stat info, really. Tabby's paws are way too high level for her, and Haseo's weapons are all to dang weak when he's the Terror of Death. The stats are really an in-game thing, just like the places they're found. I don't really see a reason not to put both as long as someone commits to adding all of them. - Kuukai2 05:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I think there is a fundamental difference between adding the statistics of weapons and adding the location where they are found. Perhaps the best way to spefically designate this is whether or not the information is applicable to more than one media. For example: whether it's The World in the games, the manga, or the anime, the statistics for the various weapons will remain standard. However, the location where you find a weapon in the .hack games is not necessarily (and perhaps necessarily not) the only place that you can find the weapon in an actual incarnation of The World. I'm sure that you can find them in more than one place, but for the sake of brevity and to hold a linear storyline, this was not expressed in the games (which, I feel, is rightfully so). If you need any further explanation of what the hell I'm talking about, feel free to say so. Otherwise: thoughts?. --Rintaun 04:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Umm, like I just said above, stats are not consistent between the anime and game by any measure. Tabby's Paws, Nekotama, are level 116 in the games and clearly not in Roots. - Kuukai2 04:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the games aren't a very good depection of the real way the game works. For instance Haseo can be seen in wasteland, forest, and other kinds of fields in the anime. But do we ever see these in the game? No. And what about Kuhn? He's shown in Roots as a powerful and experienced player. Yet he joins your party in Rebirth at level 10 or so. Same thing with Bordeaux and Matsu, you fight them at level 25 and 30, yet storyline wise they should be much more powerful then that. Game statistics =/= Storyline statistics. --CRtwenty 06:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Good point. Then! I propose we either add *all* of the game information, making us the BESTEST FAQ IN ALLLLLLLL THE LAND~!(tm) or we remove it. We need to be consistent one way or another. --Rintaun 07:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see how it would kill us to add locations. - Kuukai2 21:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Because then people would want information on other things in the game. Until we'd eventually wind up having to write walkthroughs and FAQs. --CRtwenty 22:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Aside from strategy, we seem to be planning on pretty much putting everything in anyway. And this is different than some guy wanting us to add something. This is a case where Ruthborn and/or I just want pemission to add something, for completeness. - Kuukai2 23:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay let's start the indenting over. It's getting slightly ridiculous :P Anyway, to be entirely honest, I don't have a problem with someone adding this information if they're willing to take the time to do so. Hell, if someone can write a walkthrough / strategy guide professionally enough (and encyclopedically enough), then I don't have a problem with them adding that. Requesting these things, it I think, entirely different though. Hate as you will. --Rintaun 06:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I fail to see how knowing what field a rare item can be found in will help somebody understand the .hack series. It's the type of information that belongs in a walkthrough, which we don't have here. If you plan on putting that information in, plan on putting in an entire walkthrough with it. --CRtwenty 07:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
To reiterate: I don't mind not having the information, either. But I think we've already stepped in that puddle (read: ocean) by adding stats. Either remove them or don't care about adding other things. --Rintaun 07:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll admit, we've dipped our hands in walkthrough territory a few times. With the Grunty Raising methods, and the item stats, and I agree that if we handled it properly we could add the locations... but just having a big block of text showing the location of those items at the end of a giant table doesn't seem like a very attractive way to do it. --CRtwenty 08:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I can honestly say that I agree entirely with that. Thus the question is not "Can we do this?", but rather "How do we do this properly?".... Yea, I have no clue either. You guys decide. XD --Rintaun 09:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Smaller font, bigger table? - Kuukai2 18:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Originally the rare weapon locations were listed first, before the table. You should remember since you're the one who edited it CR (see Long Arm Weapon List). How about this then: We make one page devoted to Rare Items which includes all items, weapons and upgrades found in the games, anime and manga. Perhaps we could add information about the 'Rare Hunter' job as well. As for the purpose of having weapons listed at all. I figure someone will eventually want (or request) a list anyway. The lists were never soley around the game weapons to begin with. Ruthborn 11:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I think they should just be part of the dang table, shouldn't be that hard. Even non-rare weapons come from somewhere... - Kuukai2 01:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
From my understanding, most rare weapons in the game come from fields that are hinted at in other sources. Perhaps in the trivia of such sources, it could be noted that this field is mentioned, and then either an article about that field and what makes it special, or just a mentioned of it in the trivia. --Gryffon 19:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Some are just found in certain kinds of areas, and we'd want to list an example keyword. I think this was done to sell guidebooks. - Kuukai2 21:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


Grunty Audio

Anyone out there wanna try to get audio for the Grunty phrases? We can't have a section for catch phrases if we don't have audio! Kulaguy 05:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It's easy to extract from the games, it's in raw PCM. If anyone is interested in doing that, I can elaborate. I have the Japanese version, would we want to add those? - Kuukai2 09:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


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