Talk:Cubia (R:1)

Is There A Reason...
...why Cubia has been split into three different entries? I'm assuming it's under the same principle we separate characters from their LINK incarnations, correct? I'm pretty sure though, that the Cubias are similar enough to remain under the same article, as the LINK pages exist because we're not sure if they're the same exact characters, right? --AuraTwilight 04:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Clutter, Epitaph, Incarnations. Various reasons. Outlaw630 05:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Read here: http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Apeiron

Card Battle Card
I guess I'm blind. Which Card Battle card is Cubia in? Are you guys trying to say "Crimson VS" or something? Also, how is this trivia-worthy, unless it applies to every character that has a card? - Kuukai2 19:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

"Key of the Twilight"

 * Regarding this sentence: "When Haseo gains Xth Form, his PC itself becomes a "Key of the Twilight", creating Cubia."

My interpretation was that Haseo's PC became the "Key of the Twilight" because he had finally data drained the other 7 Epitaphs, thus combining them with his own and reuniting all the Morganna Factors into one -- creating Cubia. The Xth form was just something that Zelkova thought was cool and helped Haseo get it? --Viscosity 06:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he got Xth Form right after devouring Corbenik, so technically you're right on both points. Haseo could have done all that without Xth Form. Xth Form was just a way to rescue his consciousness after the Rebirth almost broke his brain. :P ~ Ichida, Steam Gunner of the Super Mod Squad
 * Oh okay, I thought I misunderstood something during that lo~ong cutscene. --Viscosity 06:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to contest this sentence in its entirety. From playing the game, it seems to me that Cubia wasn't created in response to Haseo becoming the Key of Twilight, but in response to Ovan unleashing the Rebirth, which, you have to admit, was a major release of power, which is why Cubia became as large as he was. Also, Haseo already devoured Corbenik the first time. He was basically already 'complete' after devouring Fidchell. In the end, I'd just like to say that the Xth form is unrelated to the creation of Cubia. --Manock 04:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a Retcon from a magazine special called .hack//Truth. It came out after the game, and it's straight from the staff, so it supercedes what we or the characters thought happened. I don't like it, but what can we do about it?  If Hiroshi Matsuyama says that Haseo is Sora, or that Gaspard is actually just a 500-pound badger irl, all we can do is accept it. - Kuukai2 05:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate it when they retcon a fact that had already been firmly established. Especially when the original fact was more impressive than the new one. But you are right, there's nothing I can do.--Manock 05:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually it is because the Xth form was created by Haseo merging with his epitaph. Amagi stated in the Terminal disk that he found disortions during project G.U. Cubia is created when there is a power that isn't suppose to exist in The World. So basically Ovan releasing Corbenik's power is what gave Cubia form. Cubia was already in the system before Ovan activated rebirth it's just like what Kite did when he data drained Skeith he gave him "Form".Kite X ^ ^
 * What part of "it's a retcon" aren't you getting? - Kuukai2 05:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see that there!! lol Kite X

"Hidden One"
Where is Cubia called this, again? - Kuukai2 06:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It was included in Wiseman's email in Outbreak. It's probably on the Epitath itself too, but I haven't checked in a while.--SicInfit 06:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cubia isn't mentioned in any of the known fragments of the Epitaph. --Shinsou Wotan 14:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I just checked the Wiseman emails and he makes no mention of the Hidden One. Kulaguy 20:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * See below. Here's a link to the game version of the scene. - Kuukai2 07:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. I've downloaded all the Games scenes from BL, but I didn't watch all of it, merely using it as a reference. Kulaguy 07:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought he was named Qubia in a fragment of the epitaph they called him an ancient lifeform.- Kite X
 * That description is found in a summary of the Epitaph, but isn't in any of the actual pieces that we know of. The spelling "Qubia" is how they romanized it in Analysis (which isn't particularly reliable in its romanizations). --Shinsou Wotan 00:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

So if he isn't in the epitaph does this make the Liminality easter eggs true? Not theat I'm saying they are. -Kite X
 * What? No. ._. How'd you reach that conclusion? It's blatantly obvious he is NOT an anti-virus program, considering that he causes more trouble than anything.--Biccy 02:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He is in the Epitaph. He just isn't mentioned in any of the fragments of it that have been revealed so far in the .hack//series. --Shinsou Wotan 03:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Helba seemed to know about him before anybody else. -Kite X

Actually, Cubia is mentioned in the epitaph, though not by name. He is referred to as the 'shadowed one' it sais 'Yet to return, the shadowed one Who quests for the Twilight Dragon' and later on 'Never to return, the shadowd one Who quests for the Twilight Dragon' I think the Twilight Dragon reffers to the Bracelet, which would be why Cubia wanted Kite's Bracelet in XXXX. Never to return reffers to the new Bracelet Kite got which did not have a shadow, making Cubia the on will never return, he's gone. -BlackOnyx

That's incorrect. The "Shadowed One" is a human being named Sara, questing to find the Twilight Dragon who can stop the Wave. The "Never to return" is referring to the coma victims. AuraTwilight 18:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between "shadowed" (Japanese: 影を持つ (lit. "having a shadow"), German "mit Schatten" (lit. "with a shadow)) and "hidden" (Japanese: 隠されし (lit. "hidden"), German unknown). The former is the term in the piece cited; the latter is the one used to refer to Cubia. --Shinsou Wotan 20:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it used to refer to Cubia? I don't have my Vol.4 save at my apartment, but it seems like a good time to ask again.  What exactly does Wiseman say?
 * Actually I remembered I had a backup save on my PC. I read through all of Wiseman's emails and I can't find this at all.  Did they add this in the English version, or what?  Or is this another case of the Easter Eggs causing people to hallucinate? - Kuukai2 04:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I vote hallucination. AuraTwilight 22:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I've heard this outisde of the easter eggs. I wanna say it was Another Birth, actually.--Biccy 23:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found it in Another Birth, volume 3, chapter 1. The scene in question looks like it may be a conversation from the game.  It takes place at the Chaos Gate in Fort Ouph. --Shinsou Wotan 01:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I found it, now that I know where to look. Yes, it's in the game.  BlackRose was there? - Kuukai2 04:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Use or not Use?
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2886/cubiaalphand4.jpg

Just took this pic off youtube of Cubia Alpha. Need or no need? Even if it's temp. -Gundam Fan
 * It... isn't very clear. I hardly know what I'm looking at.--OtakuD50 06:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to take a picture of this thing <_<... if it isn't moving and blurry, the screens vibrating when it's still. Of course you know the white thing is Cubia Alpha <_<... Was trying to go for the full body shot. ... Full segment shot. -Gundam Fan

"Untold"?
He's actually mentioned in the Epitaph, according to the summary of it in Analysis. That's how Helba knows its name. - Kuukai 06:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm... well, we'd need a transcript of the Epitaph from Analysis where it mentions Cubia. Kulaguy 06:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Shinsou Wotan released a translation a while back: http://homepage.mac.com/murgatroyd314/Epitaph.html (his spelling it "Qubia" is just because that's how "Cubia" is spelled in Analysis). He's better with words than I am (an essential component of translation) ^^;  This is it transcribed for possibly the first time in the original Japanese though.  Cubia's mentioned later too, but this is, as it says, their first encounter with him...
 * 1-6:　光る眼　　　ダックを追われた夜の精霊リリスのこと. のっぱのケンドールが探索に参加する経緯. 一同が迷いの森――わかつ森を越えること. 湿地帯での超古代の怪物との最初の接触. その危機をリリスが救い、ここに”夕暮竜”の探索者、３人の影を持つ者がそろうまでが語られる. (pg. 35)
 * - Kuukai 07:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm... all right. Go ahead and change what you need to change. Kulaguy 09:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

XXXX Cubia
Where did you find that picture of Cubia in .hack//XXXX? I've searched for it and can only find the prologue chapter of XXXX. Is that a scan from an owned copy or what? RodentMeat 00:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * HOL is currently scanlating the XXXX manga, we've released chapter 1 already. --CRtwenty 08:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. could you provide a URL to the download or something? RodentMeat 19:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The person responsible for this information has been sacked. --CRtwenty 08:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, all I'm finding is a forum and a home page. No links to downloads. RodentMeat 03:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's a link to the download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N524FY0U Forget what CR told you. Kulaguy 04:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Attack names
Anyone besides me notice that alot of Cubia's attacks have Middle Eastern/Muslim names? Jihad is a big part of the Muslim religion. Are they the same in the JPN version? And is there any reason given for this? I'm just curious. PKKnoHaseo-san 03:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * They're all religious, not all Muslim. A lot of them are just from the Old Testament.  It's not just his attacks.  "Gomora" is a mistranslation of "Gomorrah".  Yeah, they're the same in Japanese.  No idea why, just 'cause it's a cool reference maybe? - Kuukai2 04:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Marzoid: "Because it's cool."--OtakuD50 04:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Most of it is a reference to an apocalypse or trials. Sodom and Gomorrah were biblicly destroyed by God in the Old Testament. Megiddo can refer to an an apocalyptic catastrophe or biblicly, between God and Satan. Ark Bullet could refer to far to many things for me to want to cover here. Legion was a man possessed by many demons in the new Testament. Gehenna is the Jewish reference to Hell. Abaddon was another biblical reference to a king of locusts whose description fits that of Cubia. .hack// is filled with many Biblical, occult, historic, and literary references, even the names of the epitaphs fall in those. Us2rugrats 00:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Cubia and Azure Kite
The Cubia Core has an avatar similiar to kite's inside. So what does this mean?


 * It means that Cubia is the shadow of Kite. Stop putting crappy speculation in the Wiki. Kulaguy 00:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That still doesn't answer the question.


 * Then too damn bad. Kulaguy 00:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It just means that there's an image of Kite inside the Cubia Core, and it was put there by the creators of the game as a little extra eye candy and Epileptic Tree fuel. 72.234.50.130 07:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

A Second Cubia
Maybe the reason a second Cubia hasn't appeared in G.U. because a phase hasn't been Data Drained.


 * Please, for the love of God, sign your comments! --CRtwenty 16:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Epiapth users' avatars are the phases themselves.--Daipenmon 17:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Several Phases were Data Drained; Tarvos, Kuhn; heck, any Phase you battle, you have to Data Drain. Kulaguy 00:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

But they don't turn into Epitaph stones.


 * Who the fuck cares? The point is they were Data Drained. All it means whena Phase turns into an Epitaph Stone is that you can defeat it normally. There is NOTHING that says or implies a Phase has to turn into an Epitaph Stone to make Cubia stronger. Also, where the heck did the name "Epitaph Stones" come from? Kulaguy 03:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Cubia only appeared in the first place because Kite was close to Aura. With the illegal Twilight Bracelet, Cubia thought Kite meant to attack and drain Aura, which is why it kept showing up whenever Kite liberated a fragment of Aura's data. Aura isn't in R:2 - so far anyways - so there's no reason for Cubia to exist. ~ Ichida


 * Ichida, you fail so hard for believing the Liminality extras. Kulaguy 03:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm just working with the evidence presented to me. Cubia DID only appear whenever Kite was trying to talk to Aura. It all makes sense to me. ~ Ichida

Aura has nothing to do with it. Cubia was the Anti-Existence to the Bracelet. The Bracelet no longer casts an Anti-Existence. The Avatars, however, do, and the closest thing to an Anti-Existence is seemingly the AIDA.


 * The AIDA aren't anti-existences. Just vagrant AIs. They're a lot closer to being a virus than an Anti-Existence. Kulaguy 03:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This is all speculation. That's great though, since that very nicely settles the problem of what to write in the articles about this: nothing yet. - Kuukai2 04:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Thanks at least someone appreciates what I'm trying to figure out.-Cojin17


 * An anti-thesis only occurs when darkness passes through light in relationship to the bracelet. In the case of Haseo it is darkness passing through darkness and not darkness passing through light. Haseo/Skeith's bracelet isn't light it is dark (and the 'Morganna Motif' eye thing is present in it.)


 * Quote: When there is light burning in the darkness a shadow is born.
 * See Kuukai's post at: http://www.dothackers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5906&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20.
 * That is why another Cubia is not born. MirageAtoli 05:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * We don't know if there is another Anti-Existence or not. Jun mentioned that there was a possibility of one being created. And he detected something he thought might be one, but that's it. That's all the canon evidence we have. It doesn't matter if you think Azure Kite, AIDA, Ovan, or Death Grunty are Anti-Existences, until we have actual evidence in the series it's only speculation and has no place here. --CRtwenty 06:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that Cubia WILL (eventually) appear in the G.U. time frame. This is because if you look at the Bracelet Azure Kite has you will see it’s missing a piece. This, to me, suggest its Kite’s original bracelet, and logically if the bracelet survived so did Cubia.


 * Cubia *is* appearing in the game. ._. He's mentioned on the soundtracks for Vol. 3. The reason it's showing up now doesn't seem to be about Kite andhis bracelet though.--SicInfit 05:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Azure Kite and Cubia
When you fight Cubia his only weakness is the cubia core and that is is the only thing that hurts him and whats inside? An avatar of Kite so he has to be Azure kite. And I know about the shadow of the bracelet,but doesn't Azure kite look a bit shadowy than our Kite? Plus he's missing a piece of his Bracelet.The same area where BlackRose struck the first bracelet.Doesn't the Cubia in xxxx tell us something?Maybe the creators are trying to give us some hints?And i know it's not canon.


 * XXXX is not canon, so don't bring it up in a discussion. It's like trying to use Morti in a discussion about AI's. If it's not canon, you don't bring it up as evidence, end of story. As for Kite and Cubia... we KNOW that Azure Kite is the same Kite from the games. This is a canon fact. Azure Kite cannot be Cubia, because he's Kite, end of story. The Cubia Core was just there to show that Kite and Cubia were connected. And besides, if the Cubia Core WAS Azure Kite, then why didn't we see a shadowy Balmung and Orca in there as well? --CRtwenty 17:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

How do you know Azure kite is Kite?
 * Start a new data of either Infection, Mutation, Outbreak or Quarantine. Name Kite a very different name, like Digimon, or something. I named mine Kulaguy. Now convert that data to a NEW GU Rebirth data and battle Azure Kite. When you target Azure Kite, you can see his name changes to what you named Kite in the data you converted. So when I battled Azure Kite, he was named Kulaguy for me. Kulaguy 20:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Azure Kite isn't Kite-Kite. He's Kite's PC, player not included. He's part of the Tri-Security Network.
 * Dammit, stop posting speculation as fact. Kulaguy 20:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Then why is he all like,"uhh...uhhh..."and corrupted and stuff?-Cojin17
 * Well thats the part we don't know, he was probably damaged somehow, but we just dont know yet.--Brago-77 20:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No human could be controling him.-Cojin17

Pics
I think we should post some pics of the Cubia Core.-Cojin17
 * Sorry if this comes off as a little rude, but what is it with you and Cubia Core? Azure Flame Kite has nothing to do with Cubia. -Bulletcatcher

Look Cubia has yet to appear in G.U. and I think he has some kind of connection with Azure Flame kite.-Cojin17
 * Actually, I believe the meteor thing is called Cubia Alpha. I know nothing more than that, but I'm pretty sure that's been confirmed. I'm trying to hold out on info so I get the full effect when I can actually watch the trailer...  Kite isn't the meteor, so I think we're safe though... - Kuukai2 03:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Cubia Alpha?! What is this?-Cojin17
 * Supposedly, this:

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/11/16/h-104_63264_d02.jpg.jpg
 * - Kuukai2 03:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Are we going to post the pics of the Cubia Core? and that thing doesn't look Cubia related,but nice pic none the less.-Cojin17
 * If you want a fucking picture of the Core, get it yourself. If no one is getting it, it's obvious no one gives a damn or are too lazy to do it. Kulaguy 04:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't fucking curse at me I'm trying to help you bitch!!-Cojin17
 * Help me, eh? How exactly? I didn't insult you so why don't you just stop annoying us? Kulaguy 04:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You'll see you'll all see i'm right about Cubia and Azure Kite,you'll all see!!!!!!!! Farewell!-Cojin17
 * You still haven't answered my question. And I doubt you'll leave. People who say that almost always come back. Kulaguy 04:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And then maybe you'll register a damn account. --CRtwenty 04:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Does this guy count as a troll? If not, he's still an obsessive idiot.--SicInfit
 * Not quite sure what we should classify him as. Some of his contributions are pretty good, so I'm hesitant about banning him. BTW, you need to register an account too. It makes things a lot easier. --CRtwenty 22:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He's just a little obsessive about a single issue, but he's stubborn and does not even consider anyone else's opinion. Banning him is a little over the top, IMO, but he's rude and idiotically valiant towards his own belief, even though it was pretty much confirmed what Azure Flame Kite is. For Cojin17, you need to go do some research on your part before you start going off with your solutions to a problem that has been addressed and resolved countless times. -Bulletcatcher

I would like to apologize for my rude comments from yesterday,please excuse my obsession with Cubia and I do have an account I just forget to login.-Cojin17
 * I *do* have an account here, CRtwenty. Granted, I haven't been able to put in much but there are some things. :p--SicInfit 04:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The only thing Cubia has to do with Kite is that it is the Twilight Bracelets opposite, and the thing inside the core is not kite but is the PC Cubia we see in XXXX. On another note if you watch the vol. 3 trailer carefully there is four glowing eyes and the a little girl in a rocking chair.  think about it Jun said that if all of the Epitaph Users used there Avatars a Cubia might be born, all of the Avatars have been battled by Vol. 3 excepte Yata's.  One last thing is that the little girl in the chair is supposed to to Aura, there is much speculation on this but I will find out more soon.  --Azure Sky God 22:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * ... The Kite in the core IS NOT the Cubia PC. It's just there to symbolize that it's the "dark side" of the Bracelet. And Jun said an anti-existance might be born. He never said it'd be Cubia. And prove to me the girl is supposed to be Aura. All I see is crappy speculation about her with no basis or evidence. Kulaguy 22:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It has to be his PC beacause the only way you can hurt him is to hit the core. It's like his heart.--Cojin17 04:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And your point is what? XXXX is non-canon. In the canon timeline, there never was a Cubia PC. Kulaguy 04:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The way I see it is that Cubia's PC in XXXX was a way of making Cubia more interesting for the veiwer. I agree that it could be a Kite mimic but it is diffinetaly not Azure Flame Kite.  All of the Azure Knights what I believe to be a fail safe for "The World R2" or something along that line.  Anyway about Aura in Vol. 3, how do you think Haseo gets his Xth form anyway, huh? After he gets infected by AIDA Aura finds him and brings him into the light if you will thats why his color are reveresed.  They have changed the way Aura looks before so why not now, I think they wanted to make her fit Morgannas role more, so they made her look older and have her in a wheelchair/rocking chair.  Most people believe that the girl that talk to Jun on the last day of "The World R1" was Zephie not Aura any way so I suggest you go to Youtube and find the Terminal Disk Video for Generation of Untiy.  I will dicusses this more when I have more Information on the subject and BTW I think Vol. 2 in english is coming out some time this month because look at when the Vol. 2 in Jap. and Vol. 1 in english came out.--Azure Sky God 08:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Prove that the girl in the wheelchair is Aura, then.


 * I believe it's been stated (I think at last TGS) that Net Slum's hackers are the ones who give Haseo Xth form, not an AI... - Kuukai2 09:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

If the 8 phases appear Cubia is bound to appear. Plus Azure Kite has a Bracelet so there has to be a Cubia.--Cojin17 10:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Just because the Phases are there, that doesn't mean Cubia will be. And just because there's a Bracelet, that doesn't mean there'll be a Cubia. Kite and Shugo got a Bracelet but there's no sign of Cubia, though that's mostly because they didn't really data drain anything powerful, except for Shugo in the anime when he Data Drained Morti which should've created Cubia and made the anime a lot more interesting. Anyways, Azure Kite hasn't Data Drained a Phase AFAIK, and if Cubia manifests the same way he did in the original series, he won't make an appearance at all in GU. Kulaguy 10:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But what about the anti-existence Jun mentioned?--Cojin17 10:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't have to be Cubia to be an anti-existance. He might come back, but you just keep assuming things with no evidence whatsoever. Kulaguy 10:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually I saw the vol 3 preview and there was a thing that had 4 glowing eyes,like Cubia.--Cojin17 10:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm, I believe it's actually confirmed via screenshot that it's Cubia, been that way for a while... - Kuukai2 21:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please post it then. Kulaguy 22:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've actually only heard of said screenshot, but there's Vs. Cubia music on the soundtrack, pretty much settling this. He's almost certainly the shadow of the eight avatars. - Kuukai2 01:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The way Cubia was brought into being was that Aura gave Kite the item "Book of Twilight" which he installed into his character and got a new costume and the Bracelet. The World was in a bad state then, and the Bracelet was like light put into that bleack place.  What happens when you put light in Darkness? You get a Shadow which is what Cubia is a Shadow to the Bracelets light.  Aura also gave Kite anoter book but this one gave him a Bracelet that had not formed a shadow yet that goes the same for Shugo, when Aura gave shugo his Bacelet she new what was going on after the first Cubia had been made.  The reason I think there will be a new Cubia is becuase of what Jun said about this subject and Ovan.  Some how Ovan, the AIDA, and Cubia are connected.  We all know now that Ovan is the True Tri-Edge and that his third arm has AIDA in it.  So where does Cubia fit into the equition.  On the note about Aura in Vol. 3, who else could it be in the chair anyway, huh? --Azure Sky God 16:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Another AI? - Kuukai2 21:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What Kuukai said. Just because it's a girl, that doesn't mean it's Aura. Hey, if we're making baseless theories, I'm gonna say the girl is Subaru. Oh, why? Because she's a girl AND she has a wheelchair! That's one more "evidence" than the Aura theory! Kulaguy 22:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think she's some sort of Ultimate AI, but we won't know for certain until volume 3 is released. Baseless speculation may be fun, but it's really not needed here. --12.217.193.12 00:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Look at the trailer again you should see an upclose of her at the Hulle Granz Chathedral, and if I'm not mistaken you see a Iffenity Brouch like Aura has. I do not clam to know everything about the games but the way I see it is that there will close this section of the worlds history with Vol. 3 and bringing Aura back seems to be a good way to rap things up. --Azure Sky God 06:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * She's not Aura. Her name's Aina/Eina, and she has her own theme song listed on the OST.  Speaking of which, my translation of the track titles. - Kuukai2 06:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

HA HA !!! Cubia's in GU!!!--Cojin17 07:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. That's been established for a long time now. ¬_¬ --Bulletcatcher 07:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we've known about Cubia since the Vol 3 trailers, what the hell did you think that picture posted above was of? --CRtwenty 10:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * On that site you said it could be AIDA too. So you have no room to talk. As I said before the AIDA, Ovan and the new Cubia have all got something to do with each other, now lets stop argueing about Aura and figuer out what those three have to do with each other.  I saw in the trailer that Avatar Corbenik had what appeared to be a new arm.  Does anyone know about that?  One final note if its not Aura then give me someone it actually could be. --Azure Sky God 20:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm, "Aina", as per the soundtrack and as mentioned in the Vol.3 Preview from Vol.2. We pretty much had it figured that that was the name of the chair girl/girl who introduced Phyllo and Ovan since before Vol.2 was even officially released in Japan, and the soundtrack just confirmed that "Aina" is a character name, like we thought all along, and not a corruption of "AIDA", which was the only other explanation.  Ovan's arm is getting bigger, and it seems pretty likely that it is Cubia.  This site isn't really for speculation though, so none of this remotely matters until it's confirmed.  We could add a page for "Aina", but we don't know how to spell it, and the "G.U. Games" heading is the only thing worth adding for Cubia at this point... - Kuukai2 21:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

What we need to find out is Cubia still the opposite of the bracelet.--Cojin17 03:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What many believe is that he's a completely new Cubia, the center of all AIDA and the ultimate anti-existence to the Epitaph Users. His name in G.U. is Cubia , I believe. --Bulletcatcher 05:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Yeah Jun mentioned that it would way more pwerful then the first Cubia.--Cojin17 06:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

First off this Cubia is completely different for 2 reasons. 1: He has NOTHING TO DO WITH KITE OR AZURE FLAME KITE. 2: It was born from Haseo collecting data on 7 of the 8 epitaphs. That is why skeith changed. So Haseo is pretty much the most powerful epitaph user now. Come on he uses the new Skeith to turn Ina into a medium for Aura to talk through.--Azure Sky God 21:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cubia was made as an anti-existance to Aura to prevent others from abusing the Key of the Twilight. No. It is not why Skeith changed. Skeith changed because Haseo changed. It's that simple. He does not really directly use Skeith to turn Ina into a medium, but he uses it to give Ina the extra boost when she's reading from the Book of Twilight.--Bulletcatcher 21:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, Cubia isn't the anti-existence to Aura, he's, in the case of G.U., the anti-existence to Haseo's PC. Specifically says so in .hack//Truth. - Kuukai2 05:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Cubia is the Anti-Existence of the Key of the Twilight whenever it falls into the hands of a human. --24.183.102.219 20:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Being
What type of being is Cubia anyway?--Cojin17 03:59, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * An anti-existance. Kulaguy 04:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

If Kite turned bad would Cubia turn good?--Cojin17 08:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In XXXX? If you're talking about the games, Cubia has no goal other than opposing the bracelet.  He's neither good nor evil, just very tao. - Kuukai2 09:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Cubia is neither good nor evil, he only exists to oppose Kite. --CRtwenty 21:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone else notice that if Cubia's purpose is to oppose Kite, he shouldn't be reformed in G.U.? --Hencho414 14:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He exists to oppose Kite in the first series. He opposes the Avatars in G.U.--SicInfit 16:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Basically, he exists to oppose any given Key of the Twilight, so in the case of the originals he opposes Kite (and his bracelet), and in G.U. he opposes Haseo (and his AVATAR, due to it BECOMING a Key of the Twilight after Data Draining every other Phase). So in other words, if another Key of the Twilight pops up in another series, there'll be another Cubia there to oppose it. 72.234.50.130 08:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All true, except that in G.U. he wasn't defeated according to Harald's rules, he was defeated according to stupid deus ex machina bs, so we might never see him again... - Kuukai2 16:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Party Member
Since we're putting Cubia down as an AI based on XXXX, should we not also add him to the Kite's Party Member template? ¬_¬ - AuraTwilight
 * No, because that template is meant for the party members in the Games. You don't actually get to use Cubia in the first place. Kulaguy 03:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Cubia and Bracelet
What is this thing that Cubia and the Bracelet are part of?--Kite X 16:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Um... You mean the "Thing" about Cubia being the Anti-Existence of the Bracelet and all that?--AuraTwilight 23:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Yes--Kite X 01:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

So...read the Wiki page on Cubia, then. >.> --AuraTwilight 03:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Negativety
What would have happened if Kite would have Data Drained Corbenik instead of fighting Cubia?--Kite X 22:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Cubia would have gotten stronger and he probably would have had to fight it anyway. --CRtwenty 22:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

It would have been easier see look he would have beat Corbenik then destroyed the bracelet and boom everythings fixed.--Kite X 22:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That would've been better if he Cubia didn't get to him first. =\--Bulletcatcher 23:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The thing is it would be much too convienent. By destroying the Bracelet before Corbenic's defeat you allow for some of the best plot twists in the entire .hack series. --AuraTwilight 03:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

What ever happened to that Cubia Crazy guy?--Kite X 20:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * According to his page, Cojin won't be on for a while.--Bulletcatcher 21:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Some of his posts actually made me think....--Kite X 23:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

.Hack XXXX
What's that thing on Cubia's head in XXXX?--Kite X 09:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's just a decoration. Or it's part of a mask and Cubia is really a Vizard from Bleach!!! >_>--Ellimist 01:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

But it looks like it was laughing when they showed a close up of it.--Kite X 02:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And why could a decoration not be shaped like a laughing face?--Ellimist 02:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

They had like sound effects around it.--Kite X 02:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * For the record, the sound effects in question (assuming you're talking about the panel I think you are) are a sort of rustling sound. What this means, if anything, I will not venture to guess.  --Shinsou Wotan 03:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

In XXXX it kinda shows that Cubia is the opposite of kite he looks gay were kite looks straight.--Kite X 02:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What the fuck are you basing this off of?--Ellimist 03:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Cubia doesn't look gay... he looks insane. See the picture, it has a close up of the thing on his head too, which looks like Cubia's face from the games. --CRtwenty 03:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I was talking about his clothes and his girly look.--Kite X 03:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should put that pic on his page?--Kite X 03:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the other one better, you can see his face in it. --CRtwenty 03:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute Cubia is neither boy nor girl so it really doesn't matter what IT wears...--Kite X 03:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

What does it mean when it says that Kite falls into Cubia's clutches?--209.30.248.110 00:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It means that after the Macha battle, the effects of overuse of Data Drain catch up with Kite. He collapses, and Cubia takes him away to someplace that is not an ordinary field, for reasons that only Aura (and perhaps Helba) fully understands.  --Shinsou Wotan 02:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Something has been bothering me... early on, when Kite meets Cubia, he says that Cubia is a Twin Blade like him... however, in the fight against Gorre, he uses a spear. So what class is Cubia really? --Phoenix of the Desert 19:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He's a Twin Blade, but as he's not a normal user he can probably do things normal PCs can't. Plus, he didn't really use it for fighting; he dropped it. Ever seen an item drop in an RPG? Sometimes bladed items will "land" point-down. Though normally you can't jump on them as Cubia did, obviously in the non-game renditions of The World (as seen in anime, manga, etc) the characters can do things that you really can't. Plus, it's fiction, and noncanon, so it's not really something to consider seriously. --DameGreyWulf 21:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I was wondering because (unless you see this in volume 2 which I havent read) we havent even seen Cubias twin blade weapon yet...--Phoenix of the Desert 19:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

What are Gormorrah
I was just wondering what Gormorrah are, I've seen them as part of Cubia but what are they really and what is their purpose. Plant seeds and they will grow(metaphor, try and figuer out what I mean)--Azure Sky God 00:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think they are apart of Cubia and he attacks you with them.--Kite X 00:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

GU describes them as "Cubia's Fingers", so they're to Cubia like the Phases were to Cubia. They're part of him. --AuraTwilight 03:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Say again?--SicInfit 03:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I meant what I said. The third volume of GU, as explained by Yata, states that the Gormmorrah are "Extensions" of Cubia. He controls them and they serve as his metaphorical fingers. His limbs. The same way Morganna controlled the Phases, except the Gormorrah didn't possess their own AI.


 * Yeah, they're basically physical extensions of Cubia's will. --CRtwenty 03:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I understood the bit of Gommorrah being an extension of Cubia for a long time now. The bit I don't understand is why you said they related to Cubia "like the Phases were to Cubia".--SicInfit 03:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, pfft. I meant to say Morganna, not Cubia. *thwacks head.* I've been messing up names all day today. Excuse me. --AuraTwilight 04:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I see but what about them being in It's attacks in the first games, and aren't they supposed to be a refrence to the biblical city Gomora?--Azure Sky God 11:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

One more thing I saw a vid on youtube that showed alot of them being at that lost ground waterfall place and the arena emperours where talking to Haseo and Co., they whould talk, more would come, and they killed them, they talked, and more. It keep going on like that till the end of the vid can someone explain it to me please?--Azure Sky God 11:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Who said they could only be a Biblical reference? My name could be a reference to a Christian angel, but that doesn't mean that's all I am (my name's not, by the way). As for the other question, it was already added that Cubia could spawn possibly infinitely many Gommorrahs in the article. Take a look sometime before asking.--SicInfit 16:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * They are probably a biblical reference, since his other moves are thing like Jihad. And yeah, if you look around you'll see some things I added that indicate this, but while Keyaki searches for Cubia, all players of The World try to kill as many Gomoras as possible.  He can regen them, but if you keep them at low level, his effects will spread less quickly, buying them time.  They find massive infestations in four lost grounds, and at each one Haseo is ambushed when he gets there by a huge amount of Gomoras, but some of his allies appear and help him, allowing him to Area Hack to the Outer Dungeon the Gomoras are coming from and exterminate them.  Moon Tree at Morrigu Barrow, Icolo (Yowkow's return!) at Arche Koeln, Kestrel at Coiste Bodhar (Gabi is sooo cool, he reads your long email, even though it's really hard), and Carnard/Taika/Piroshi at Briona Gideon.  At Morrigu I realized I had my one and only chance to talk to Sophora while he/she was fighting, but it was in like, Chinese-ish.... - Kuukai2 18:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok I see but what exactly is this new Cubia anyway, I know his is supposed to be the opposition to the Avatars and he was made by the light that came after Ovan used Rebirth. What I don't get is why is it so big, I looked at a Forum before the third game came out they where calling it a meteor???? I Don't Know. Someone said Yata explains so I probably will have to wait for Vol 3 to come out in english be for I understand it all and by the way what does Aura and Ina have to do with it all No One Will Fuji Update The Vol 3 Page. And one more thing if anyone has been wondering what that statement I said at the first post in the topic means, has anyone notice someones been starting tiny artlces or anding Vol 3 info that me, I notice that when you put a little info(seeds) on a page people usually expand on it(growing). Get It. well what've. I just think Cubia in any form is cool so, more info please thanks.--Azure Sky God 21:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It's so big because it's Cubia. When ISN'T he big in Monster form? As for being called a meteor, that was because that's what he looked like before we knew what he was. Aura and Ina's involvement can be found in their respective articles. Get off your ass and search. --AuraTwilight 01:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, by the time we see it we know what it is, it's just Cubia is still reviving. You defeat Alpha and Beta busts out, then it transforms a bit more, but at that point they just bust inside it and fight the core, which is about normal game Cubia's size (it has an inexplicable Haseo-looking thing on top too, with tubes and stuff just like the first Cubia's Kite).  This makes sense since a much greater power than the bracelet formed him.  The core itself has like three subcores...  - Kuukai2 02:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What do the the three subcores look like?--Kite X 02:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, left, and center. The right and left ones are kinda like the original core, and the center one is behind armor in his body. - Kuukai2 02:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What would the real Kite have to say about the new cubia?--Kite X 02:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Omgwtf you idiots, do you have any idea how hard that thing is to get rid of?" - Kuukai2 02:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

or "Um...See ya!"--AuraTwilight 02:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Get rid of what?--Kite X 03:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You gotta be kidding me. <_< --SicInfit 03:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

(Last Straw: *snap*) *Whistles like a Life Guard* Kite X, get out of the Gene Pool. --AuraTwilight 04:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

First let me say thanks to whoever has acted civil torward me, Second I have read those articles three million times and Aura doesn't have poop on it, and Ina's is the only one that has good solid info on it anyway. Furthermore I suggest Y'all get off your lazy asses and update the stupid Vol. 3 article anyway. One last thing I haven't play the first four games so are the Gormorrahs their own separte things with their own HP, that what I gathered from the cubia article.--Azure Sky God 20:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * One probablem, we can't edit the Volume 3 article to tell people what happens as, GASP!, must of us can't read Japanese and/or don't own the game to tell you about it anyway!--Ellimist 23:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, for all gameplay purposes, they're seperate monsters and whatnot, but Cubia controls them. They're parts of him and such. --AuraTwilight 23:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

OK I understand but could someone put some more info on the cubia and Aura articles about their part in GU,PLEASE. And if anyone knows where to find where to see the battle with Cubia/Cubia Core, Please and Thank you.--Azure Sky God 00:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Data Drain
When he data drains a circle appears,does that circle represent the platform you fight him on in the game?--Kite X 03:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He only uses Data Drain in XXXX, and while it looks similar to his platform, it's more like a giant Bracelet that he summons underneath his target. --CRtwenty 03:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, no. That circle under Innis also appears under all the other Phases in XXXX, from the moment they first appear.  When Cubia data drains, a pattern appears in the air in front of him, looking very much like the one that appears around Kite's bracelet.  --Shinsou Wotan 20:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I bet that Cubia guy would be going nuts if he saw all this!!--Kite X 01:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Pic
I was just wondering if the administrators would like to use my XXXX cubia pic?--Kite X 23:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and put it on the page, if you want to use it. If no one complains, more power to you. --AuraTwilight 03:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not needed. There's already a good image of Cubia from XXXX and we don't need a second one on the page.--Ellimist 05:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking we could replace it with the old beacause it shows more of his body.--Kite X 16:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The current image is just fine.--Ellimist 21:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I kinda like it.--Cojin17 23:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder why? Could it possibly be the fact that you're a Cubia freak?--Ellimist 23:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Basically.--Kite X 23:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

He looks a bit girlish to me in XXXX.--Kite X 02:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know what this destiny he refers to in XXXX in which he wants to free himself from?
 * Likely his role as Kite's shadow. --CRtwenty 05:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

So he wants to make Kite his shadow?

no I think he just doesn't wanna be a shadow or anti-exstence. I think he thinks that if he would get the bracelet (which is the existence) and himself (which is the anti-existence) together he can become whole ((just a theory))

Indeed. If he has the Bracelet, he's effectively his own shadow, and thus independent. --AuraTwilight 19:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Anti-existence in GU
I must not have been paying attention, but if Cubia is an anti-existence to the Phases, then why are the Phases still there, even though Cubia is gone? Kulaguy 01:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * He's actually the anti-existence to Haseo, according to Truth, but in any case the reason that the "original" wasn't destroyed was that Ovan deus ex machina'd in there and helped Haseo beat Cubia in a magical way that's never really been explained. Maybe by sinking even further into the sea of data, Ovan was able to take Cubia with him, or something. - Kuukai2 02:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That does seem odd. The Infinity Eight probably can't summon Avatars anymore though just a thought. To add on if Skeith devoured the other avatars then how can they still summon them?Kite X
 * That's because you assume a wrong definition of 'devour'. I assume their definition of having 'devoured' the epitaphs means to have data drained them and making their powers his own. --Manock 05:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Skeith didn't show any signs of the other Avatars power. If anything it seems like Job extend is what gives Skeith his power. Kite X


 * Skeith's power seems to be to defeat Corbenik, the the No.2 headband in Afro Samurai. One of Corbenik's powers is to survive anything other than a "true death", which it seems only Skeith can provide.  Job Extend is hardly related to Skeith, it's just that Skeith's appearance reflects Haseo's.  In the same manner, his Xth Form reflected his epitaph. - Kuukai2 05:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, you probably have a completely wrong idea of the definition of "an epitaph's power". Although I can't really explain it well myself, lets just say that the fact that Skeith could destroy Corbenik, which is only possible when all the eight phases' power is combined, is proof enough. --Manock 05:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Umm, next time please don't erase my post. ^^; - Kuukai2 05:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably because I was writing at the same time and my post was slower than yours. :P--Manock 05:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course of course hence the name "Rebirth". Kuukai you're a genius!! Kite X
 * Not really, Ovan's ability to come back was mentioned in Truth and/or the Perfect Guidebook, and it's also seen in the game itself. - Kuukai2 05:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Cubia's PC form
So Cubia's PC form is supposed to be like Kite's? Honest? Because he doesn't really look a lot like him. Not that it's very important, but do we have confirmation? I recently got XXXX, and I can't see many similarities besides Data Drain and that they're both Twin Blades. Different outfit, different hair-style, and the symbols stretch backwards from his face, so they're not really Kite's upside down (at least they didn't seem like it to me). Also... his hair isn't darker blue.. it's black. His character's colour scheme are colours of darkness - purple, black, white - which make him even less like Kite. Will scan image in a moment... And sorry if this was discussed above, I only lightly skimmed. --DameGreyWulf 07:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/DameGreyWulf/cubia.png

There we go. --DameGreyWulf 07:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He looks plenty like Kite to me. AuraTwilight 17:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I can definitely see a vague resemblance to Kite in the face, but I really don't think that's enough to support the argument. --Twilight Duality 21:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do an element-by-element comparison of the character designs. They're the same underlying type, with different color schemes and differences in minor details. --Shinsou Wotan 01:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Define element-by-element, because honestly, I'm having trouble seeing it. The only thing I see similar between the two is the face, and again, only vaguely.  Their hairstyles, outfits and color schemes really look nothing alike.  --Twilight Duality 01:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. You know, if you're meaning the whole "he's a Twin Blade therefore is like Kite" thing, well, then wouldn't that make Natsume like Kite, too? They're all three of the smaller class of Twin Blade - as in, not like Sora or Moonstone. That doesn't mean Cubia is the same as Kite, though. Also, this sounds like it's speculation, and obviously up to debate. Again, do we have confirmation that Cubia is supposed to be represented just like Kite? Otherwise... wouldn't that count as fan-produced information? After all, like I said, Cubia's hair is black but is listed as dark blue here. --DameGreyWulf 02:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The expression "can't see the forest for the trees" seems relevant here. You guys are paying far too much attention to the details.  Perhaps a picture will clear things up a bit.
 * http://homepage.mac.com/murgatroyd314/kiteandcubia.png
 * I think this is probably the best picture to make the parallels apparent.

--Shinsou Wotan 05:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Seriously? That's the best you can come up with?  Ok, so Cubia has a strap across his chest and little belts hanging off his hip like Kite.  That's about it.  Everything else about the two looks completely different.  Hell, even the vague resemblance in the face that I mentioned earlier is gone.  This is starting to seem more and more like fan-made speculation then actual fact. --Twilight Duality 09:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While Shinsou's example wasn't the best, I have to say I do see the resemblance perfectly. Even still, to say it's fan-speculation is pretty dense, given that Cubia and Kite are SUPPOSED to be parallels. Just because Cubia put his own spin on Kite's design doesn't mean shit. AuraTwilight 17:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you see these resemblances so perfectly, then please, point them out for me. Both Dame and I have already pointed out all of the differences that we've seen between the two characters, but neither you or Shinsou have really done that.  Also, yes, it is fan-speculation if it isn't backed up by something official.  Did one of the characters mention a resemblance between the two? (Seriously, did they?  I still haven't read XXXX.) Did the creators mention it in an interview? --Twilight Duality 20:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't believe they did, unless they say it in the second volume. And damn it, I was gonna say exactly that. Ah.. and Aura, no need to get so vehement about it. It's just a character. Like I said, Kite and Cubia appear to have the same elite character type, but Natsume would also be included in that, wouldn't she? So, while Cubia is the Bracelet's equal opposite, his looks show he's not the perfect reverse of Kite. At least to me. --DameGreyWulf 20:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how over a week has passed with no comment from either Aura or Shinsou that could properly support the claim, I've edited that section of the article to exclude it. --Twilight Duality 19:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

GU+
Just out of curiousity is anyone going to add an artical about Cubia's exsistance and fight against Kazumi? Or are you just going to keep the information within the Kazumi artical? Genixma 20:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The Shadow and the human. (Talk Page)
Is the 'shadow' in The Epitaph Cubia?

Discuss.

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